tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4432829881659791534.post428265609626491812..comments2023-11-03T07:37:40.604-04:00Comments on Men and Women in the Church: Primogeniture RevisitedDeidre Richardson, B.A., M.Div.http://www.blogger.com/profile/04415891901162852180noreply@blogger.comBlogger3125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4432829881659791534.post-43156392476411086782010-03-04T22:21:24.119-05:002010-03-04T22:21:24.119-05:00If we really look into primogeniture we will notic...If we really look into primogeniture we will notice, that it's all about first Adam and second Adam. Is all about inheritance, the bible states that flesh and blood can not inherit the kingdom of God. We were born in the likeness of Adam which is flesh, but when we become born again, it's in the likeness of Jesus. The first can not because it was in flesh and blood, but the second can that one is in spirit. As far as God is concerned the second will always rule over the first, if you want to be joint heirs with Christ.Tunde Adenugahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11918773808210059249noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4432829881659791534.post-76483631969620482352009-03-17T22:26:00.000-04:002009-03-17T22:26:00.000-04:00Did you even read my post at all??? My entire post...Did you even read my post at all??? My entire post was devoted to showing that primogeniture isn't even mentioned in the text, but comes after in other chapters of Genesis. <BR/><BR/> Secondly, primogeniture wouldn't have been a concept here because Adam and Eve were husband and wife, NOT son and daughter. IF (and this is totally hypothetical) primogeniture was used here, it would have referred to Adam being the head of creation, not the head of the home. As I've mentioned on other posts on the blog, complementarians often confuse headship of creation and headship of the home. Until Adam was given headship of the marriage in Genesis 3, he was head of creation. <BR/><BR/> What you have got to prove, however, is that this idea relates to ministry in church. That is a stretch that Scripture fails to speak on. If you read the account of Jacob and Esau in Genesis 25, you'll notice that Esau, the eldest, sells his birthright to Jacob (the youngest). Jacob not only inherits the birthright, but also Isaac's blessing. Notice that it is through Jacob that Isaac comes forth, and from Isaac (Israel) that the twelve tribes (the nation of Israel) descends. God is called in Exodus when Moses is on Mount Sinai as the God of ABRAHAM, ISSAC, and JACOB. <BR/>Esau is allowed to sell his birthright, which means that primogeniture as a concept was more of a family tradition than law. <BR/><BR/> In addition, Scripture presents us with numerous people who, although not the eldest of their families, go on to receive the blessings of God. Because these instances abound, we can assume that God's distribution of gifts is not based on whether or not one is the eldest or youngest in any family. <BR/><BR/> While your idea sounds good, you need to check it with passages such as 1 Corinthians 12 where the gifts are given by the Spirit as the Spirit sees fit. <BR/><BR/> Last but not least, prove to me that the giving of the Law was based on primogeniture. God gave Adam a command, and he didn't INHERIT IT-- God was giving instructions to he and Eve (who was formed after Adam).<BR/><BR/> To be brief, you have to show me primogeniture in the text of Genesis. What's worse is that, even in the case of Cain and Abel, there is no set "favor" guaranteed for Cain (Abel is the one who is favored by God because of his heart and his offering in Genesis 4).<BR/> Thanks, though, for your response-- and keep reading...Deidre Richardson, B.A., M.Div.https://www.blogger.com/profile/04415891901162852180noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4432829881659791534.post-66564973390111235102009-03-17T20:25:00.000-04:002009-03-17T20:25:00.000-04:00Primogeniture was established in Genesis 1-2 when ...Primogeniture was established in Genesis 1-2 when God gave The Law to Adam.Mike Bullhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00160881512505096044noreply@blogger.com